Wednesday, April 15, 2020
Was I Fired or Laid Off
Was I Fired or Laid Off Q: I lost my job today and I canât figure out if I was fired or laid off. How do I make the distinction? One thing stood out when I was being ushered toward the door. My now former manager told me that I wasnât being fired because of anything I did or did not do. He said he couldnât find a project to put me on, and that the company has changed a lot since I started last year and doesnât have the capacity to train a junior developer (which I am). He specifically said that I was being fired rather than being laid off, but from what Iâm reading it sure sounds more like a layoff to me. A: It sounds like the definition of a layoff to me, but a lot of people are confused about the difference between firing (let go for performance or other cause) and laying off (position eliminated for lack of work, restructuring, or other business reasons). I canât tell from your note if you mean that he went out of his way to stress that it was a firing and not a layoff, or if he just called it a firing. Assuming the latter, Iâd figure itâs just a terminology problem and that itâs in fact a layoff. But if itâs the former, Iâd contact him and ask him to clarify. Actually, you might contact him either way, because you donât want him telling future reference-checkers that you were fired if in fact you werenât. You could say something like this: âFergus, I wanted to check back with you about my termination. You called it a firing, but also said it wasnât due to anything Iâd done, and that it was because of lack of work, which sounds more like a layoff. I want to make sure that I describe it accurately in future interviews, and that weâre both telling reference-checkers the same thing â" am I right in thinking this is a layoff, since youâre eliminating the position?â Read More: How to ask to resign instead of being fired Q: Recently a friend (now ex-friend) used me as a reference for a director position. He lied and said that I was his former boss from a previous job! I have never been his boss or manager for any job. I only know him personally and know he is a good director from what he tells me, but I also know why he was fired from his last job. He called a week ago and told me to look out for a call for a job reference. I was upset and told him not to use me as a reference and that it would be a lie, but he still went on to tell me what to say about a certain position he had from 2000 to 2013 at a certain company and that he had already given my name and number and a letter from me that he typed up! I asked for a copy of the letter. He emailed it to me with the old company name that he worked for, stating that the company had long gone out of business and that the owner died and that I was a direct manager, and it had me stating that he was a great manager and listing his job and duties! So I called that company directly that was suppose to be out of business, only to find out that they have never employed him, and they are still in business and the owner is still alive kicking and well! Iâm so pissed off! So I get the call from the job he is seeking, and my question is⦠how do I handle it? All this is a personal train wreck waiting to happen. What can be done to make him stop and can I make him stop or seek an attorney for him to stop? A: Call the reference-checker back and say this: âIâve never worked with him. He asked me to lie for him and I said no, so I have no idea why he gave you my name anyway. He showed me a letter that he forged that said it was from me, giving a reference for him, so I need to let you know that if he shared that letter with you, itâs a forgery. I didnât write it, I canât attest to his work, and Iâm horrified that heâs using my name like this.â You donât owe your friend any warning that you did this, but just on the principle of thing, Iâd let him know once itâs done â" âBob, I told you I wouldnât lie for you. I donât know why you gave a reference-checker my name, but I told her the truth â" that weâve never worked together and that your claims that we had were lies. I want to be very clear that you need to stop telling lies involving me, and if you continue to do it, Iâll continue to be very clear with anyone who contacts me. Also, you are a crappy person.â Read More: My coworker wants me to give him a false reference As for contacting an attorney to force him to stop, itâs an option but I donât think you need to spend the money on it. Heâs going to figure out that doing this will hurt him, not help him, because youâll tell the truth. Read More: Is there a best time of day to fire someone? These questions are adapted from ones that originally appeared on Ask a Manager. Some have been edited for length.
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